Friday, January 30, 2009

that superbowl ad

A number of bloggers are upset because NBC rejected the pro-life Superbowl ad. I'm not. I've seen the ad and I honestly can't say that it impressed me. It uses the Beethoven argument:Don't abort that baby, he might grow up to become something great. Yes, your husband ran like a bandit, and yes you've had to dump your kid on your parents to raise but hey, he might grow up to be president. Um no. 99% of the babies born today won't be another Beethoven and they won't be president. They'll have an IQ of somewhere between 85 and 100 and be plain ole average if they're lucky.

How about don't abort that kid becuase he's a human being and thou shalt not murder an innocent. And while you're at it dear, do the second great thing you can do for your child after sparing his life; give him a chance to be happy and sane. Put him up for adoption.

10 comments:

Robert said...

far too may can't follow the "don't abort that kid because he's a human being and thou shalt not murder an innocent" argument. It takes the Beethoven/POTUS argument to make them use what little sense they have.

Joe of St. Thérèse said...

It's 30-40 s of commercial time, and while I think it could have been better, it's an interesting thing to see everyone's favorite idol twisted into the Truth about Life, which is a good thing.

The problem with that short of a time period is that the message needs to be quick and sometimes the laws of logic can't exactly be squeezed into 30 or 40 s.

Smiley said...

Exactly. The beetoven argument is weak. We need to fight this form the point of moral right and wrong. Don't abort because its wrong and you will go to hell if you don't repent.

An Empty Clay Pot said...

Do you really think that telling people they will "go to hell" will help them understand the dignity of the human person? I agree, though, that the Beethoven argument is weak, but that reasoning from the natural law is the best approach to an argument of this sort. Have you guys ever read Peter Kreeft's "Apple Argument"?

Smiley said...

No I do not think they will understand going to hell. But it is the truth and they need to hear the truth because the truth will set them free eventually.
Secondly it is our duty to admonish them and make them aware of the consequences of their actions and not speaking about going to hell is not telling them the consequence of the action.
No i have not read the "apple argument' can i find it on line somewhere.
Salve Maria
Smiley 007

An Empty Clay Pot said...

If you google "peter kreeft apple argument" you should get it, or you could go to his website and it should be easy to find. Actually, here is the link: http://www.peterkreeft.com/topics-more/personhood_apple.htm

About that hell stuff: perhaps we will have to agree to disagree, but there is a lot more involved in choosing hell than we realize. For example, what constitutes a mortal sin? Grave matter, know the consequences, freely choose it. Sure it is grave matter, but do people really realize what it is that they are doing? Remember that rhetoric is very persuasive and the pro-choice movement is very good at rhetoric. I wouldn't doubt that some of these abortionists, nurses that help with an abortion, or even the mothers and families involved have no clue about what it is that they are doing. For them, the human child is nothing more than a cluster of cells.

I certainly don't mean to diminish the gravity of abortion, but I really don't believe that some of these people understand what they are doing. That is why arguments like Peter Kreeft's (aka using the natural law) will work much better than telling them that they've just purchased a one-way ticket to hell.

Smiley said...

Hi Clay Pot,

Yes we will have to disagree, though i think we are on the same page we just are on different paragrpahs.

I believe that every man is born with natural law written in our heart and a conscience to tell us what is right and wrong. Irrespective if we are Hindu, Muslim, catholic, atheists etc. when we do something wrong our conscience will prick us and we feel bad, over time we learn to use sophisticated arguments to silence and kill our consciences. But yet when we see something like maybe an add telling us that abortion is a sin, it revives the dead conscience and the conscience begins to prick again.
St Thomas Aquinas said our hearts are made for God and wont find rest till they find rest in God. We kill that longing for God with our sins and our sophisticated arguments. Yet at the slightest provocation that longing comes back.
This is why i believe that as Catholics, we have a 2 fold duty.
we need not only to tell people that abortion is morally wrong but we also need to reawaken their consciences to the reality of hell and eternal punishment as a consequence of a grave action.
As Catholics we are the treasury of Truth and we should teach the truth in its entirety.

An Empty Clay Pot said...

Well said, Smiley (that was my nickname when I was a kid). I think I was mistaken, actually. I had misunderstood what it meant to be excommunicated when you choose to have an abortion and when you take part in the act itself--if it is even freely chosen.

I don't know, however, what that implies with regards to our salvation, especially if one's culpability is on the lower end of the spectrum.

Anyway, well said, and I like your thing about the "same page, different paragraphs."

Smiley said...

Hi clay Pot,

Sin is hierarchical some sins are worse than others hence punishment is also hierarchical. Hell is probably in layers not everyone gets the same torments. Just as heaven is in layers not every one sees God in the same way. Mother Mary sees God in all aspects, Joe bloe who just made it in by the skin of his teeth sees God but through many layers of a fine muslin cloth not as clearly as Mother Mary sees God.
Hence i guess you could apply this analogy to culpability in terms of Abortion. I know this is a simplistic way of looking at Hell and heaven but it is the easiest way to explain it.

Hans Georg Lundahl said...

"Um no. 99% of the babies born today won't be another Beethoven and they won't be president."

That is not the question. The question for that argument is, what if Beethoven type 1% were precisely the one you were aborting?

Now, abortions in US are already well past 6 million. 1% of 6 million is ...?

But deeper down is actually another argument.

Beethoven being great is a question of Beethoven actually managing.

And Beethoven actually managing means, one would not have done him a favour by aborting him. His being genius and famous is just an illustration of his having been a man.

"They'll have an IQ of somewhere between 85 and 100 and be plain ole average if they're lucky."

I hope you mean between 85 and 115. 100 = plain ole average.

"How about don't abort that kid becuase he's a human being and thou shalt not murder an innocent."

Too true!

" And while you're at it dear, do the second great thing you can do for your child after sparing his life; give him a chance to be happy and sane."

Yes!

"Put him up for adoption."

No. God has made a commandment which he put before the ban on murder. Honour THY father and THY mother. This means, whoever God let that person be born from (with very few exceptions, and desperate teen parents not being such) are His option for their chance of being happy and sane.