Tuesday, February 21, 2017

This is not cute

St. Louis de Monfort, pray for us
St. Padre Pio, pray for us
St. John Vianney, pray for us
St. Francis of Assisi, pray for us
St. Anthony Mary Claret, pray for us
St. Augustine, pray for us
St. Ambrose, pray for us
St. Ingnatius of Antioch, pray for us
Holy priest martyrs North America, pray for us.


newguy40 said...

In the greater internetz time line, that is rather old.

“As Leviathan’s lions begin to roar, the nominal Catholics will skip out of the arena. Roman Catholicism has become for baptized pagans a neuralgic kind of Cute Catholicism, with leprechauns, mariachi bands and Santa Claus instead of confession, prayer and fidelity to doctrine. But behind each leprechaun St. Patrick stares, and behind every mariachi band Our Lady of Guadalupe weeps, and behind every Santa Claus Christ himself judges.”
Fr. George Rutler.

Susan Kramer said...

Respectfully, what exactly is your objection to this?

It is in the context of driving from point A to point B, so they are not detracting from Holy Mass or their neglecting their parishioners or other duties. They are discussing that Jesus is Who they turn to when they are down, Who is their encouragement and keeps them on track.

Is it not okay for priests, religious brothers, or bishops to have a little innocent fun and laugh at themselves, or to sing along with the radio while driving? As I recall, my good St. Francis enjoyed having fun and singing and being the life of the party, and used it to bring others to his beloved Jesus. I can easily imagine Jesus and Our Lady, perhaps at the wedding feast at Cana, singing and dancing with others, and laughing at jokes.

It may be a silly video, but I find it rather charming, not the least detracting from the Faith. Perhaps some young man or lady who sees it may come to believe that religious life is not all fasting and burdens and tears, but embodies Christian joy in all we do, even in something as minor as driving to an appointment.

This is not meant as an attack to you or your readers, but maybe to ask you to think a little more positively about our priests. Praying before the Blessed Sacrament and other devotions are absolutely splendid and worthy. But evangelization, fraternal encouragement, and prayer can also happen while riding in a car with friends and being happy with others.

Pax et bonum - Susan, ofs

newguy40 said...

"I can easily imagine Jesus and Our Lady, perhaps at the wedding feast at Cana, singing and dancing with others, and laughing at jokes." And, yet, the Gospels are silent on this are they not?

Under those circumstances this might be a reasonable thought on your part. But, it would not have been frivolous as these priests are. And, especially, "Look AT ME Arent I HIP an COOL" This is the EXACT opposite of Jesus and Mary in the hidden life they led.

My local priest has a great sense of humor. But, the idea of seeing him sing and acting like this is simply ridiculous and I pray I don't.

I don't some letters after my name but I know what's right and what isnt.

Susan, ofs said...

Hello, newguy40 -

As I said, "I can easily imagine," not that it absolutely happened. Perhaps it was a given that there would be an easygoing party atmosphere at a Jewish wedding after the ceremony in those days. I do not know, but it is possible, isn't it? Do you think God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and all the angels and saints disapprove and frown on having innocent fun? Personally, I do not think so. Just because the Gospels do not say there was not singing and dancing at the wedding feast at Cana, does that mean it did not happen?

To be quite honest, my take on this video is that it is not a testimony to their "coolness". Is there something distasteful about expressing Christian joy and fraternal encouragement by priests, sisters and other religious? From what I heard on this, there was indeed fraternal, Christian encouragement between these good men, and unashamed reliance on Jesus to get them through difficult days. Do you think the clergy should be serious and grave during all waking hours? I cannot imagine that would be pleasing to Jesus. But, of course, I may be mistaken - this is just my opinion.

I stand by my comments. These priests and the bishop do not detract from the Faith by being joyful. These priests and the bishop are not taking time away from those Catholic souls assigned to them. They are simply riding in a car to an appointment. I do not have a problem with them singing and joking among themselves. I think perhaps it was put on the internet to show, as I said, that religious life is not just fasting, burdens, and tears.

As for the letters after my name, I put them there because I am a secular Franciscan and it is my vocation. I did not do it to be obnoxious or worldly, it is just who I am. I apologize if you find that objectionable, but I assume that Catholics who read this would understand this.

I apologize if I have offended you, and I am sorry to have caused you to become so angry. As I said, this was not meant as an attack on you, Dymphna, or anyone else who reads this blog. I wrote it as a defense of the clergy in question. It is my opinion, and as Catholics, I would expect that we can calmly and charitably discuss this, without being attacked or insulting the "letters after my name."

Peace to you and all who read this - Susan, ofs

newguy40 said...

"It is my opinion, and as Catholics, I would expect that we can calmly and charitably discuss this, without being attacked or insulting the "letters after my name.""

Not angry but weary of folks making excuses for the poor actions of priests whether it's in the liturgy or not. I think our priests are better than this and we need them to be.

"Satan loves a spectacle, success, glory, and applause. If Christ has chosen the cross, Satan has chosen the stage." Fr. Livio Fanzaga, The Deceiver

Susan, ofs said...

I am glad I did not make you angry, newguy. I apologize for misunderstanding.

I do not think less of these priests and the bishop by seeing this. I do not think it undignified. If they had done something flippant during Mass or devotions, or had blown off someone who needed spiritual help, that would be different. They are relaxed, happy, and approachable. It is okay if they sing with the radio in the car and laugh.

But they are not being undignified or disgracing the Faith. They seem to be poking gentle fun at themselves, and are encouraging each other spiritually, which is commendable. They seem to be enjoying their holy vocations and their fellow religious, which is a fine thing.

When I pray, I think of myself speaking and looking at our dear Jesus, eye to eye, not just talking to myself to an unseen being. I do not see Him as stern, serious, or unapproachable, even when I have done something shameful. He knows I am a sinner, and I think of Him as being kind and sympathetic. And always encouraging me to approach Him no matter what. I think He probably laughs at me sometimes.

Joy and happiness are a gift of God. These good men were not using bad language, telling off-color jokes, or doing anything to detract from their vocations or their dignity as priests. Like Jesus, Whom they represent to us, they seem approachable, kind, sympathetic, and happy. And I see nothing wrong with that.

Anyway, I do not expect that you would agree, but I respect your opinion.

God bless you, and peace to all here - Susan, ofs

Dymphna said...

I don't think it's cute to hear a priest singing about the sunshine in his pocket and that hot blood when it drops.... From the Justin Timberlake song or see him wriggling to the Jenifer Lopez song.

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Mary Ann Kreitzer said...

You know this reminds me of warnings to parents that they aren't supposed to be their kids friends, but their parents. It's hard to imagine seeing this bishop as the father of his diocese. It looks to me like he's trying to be one of the kids. It's undignified and reduces his authority. That's just the way it is. You are either father deserving of serious respect or you reduce yourself to the level of the kids. I agree with Dymphna about the song lyrics as well. It's like that nun. What did she sing? Like a Virgin? Please. Act like grownups. This idea should have been strangled in the cradle.

Susan Kramer said...

Ms. Kreitzer, Dymphna, and newguy - Respectfully, we will have to agree to disagree. It is true that parents aren't supposed to be their kids' friends. But they also aren't supposed to be constantly grim, serious, and dour either.

It is okay to share happy times and joy and to show it with one's children or those one is responsible for. I do not for one minute believe that this bishop behaves this way in every situation, nor do the priests. I expect they conduct themselves appropriately depending on the occasion and situation. In this particular situation, they were in a car with fellow priests, laughing and enjoying each others' company.

I agree that the choice of song could have been better.

But please note that they are also providing fraternal, spiritual encouragement to the other priests. They all unashamedly and easily profess to turning to Jesus in every difficulty, and they find joy in their vocations. The priests seem comfortable and at ease with their bishop, and he with them.

I would rather know my priests and bishop get along and are able to speak without fear, than to think they cannot speak freely about their vocations or the challenges they face. I would like to believe they can joke, sing, and laugh together, rather than to think they would all sit grimly and stiffly silent, staring out the window because they believe being happy is a frivolous emotion and tarnishes their reputations.

I understand why you all think as you do, and I respect you for it. For myself, I think there is a great deal to be said for expressing Christian joy in one's vocation, whatever it is, and I think God wants us to accept our vocations and burdens with as much cheerfulness as we can muster. That is what I try to do, even when I am upset, tired, or out of patience. That is part of being a Christian, too. I will leave it at that.

God's peace and every blessing to you all and everyone who reads this - Sue, ofs

Hans Georg Lundahl said...

From your description, there are times when I am lucky not to have headphones.